Re: [Xen-users] New to Xen

[David Della Vecchia <ddv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

OP can complain all he wants, i work 80 hour weeks at my day job, I'm on call 24/7/365, and I run a midlevel hosting company on the side. I've managed to setup an enterprise xen HA cluster and launch VPS services to my customers from the grass up in a little less than a month. I assure you, the information is out there but this technology is still very raw and fast moving so you have to work for your knowledge. This is trench warfare: you gain the inches you fight for, just the way i like it. 

Whine less, work more. 

-DDV

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 12:44 PM, Christian Motschke <christian@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Am 09.11.2011 um 18:05 schrieb admin@xxxxxxx:

> Yes I spent a two days before coming here trying to get a feel for what is necessary.

I can't imagine what you have read in those 2 days, but if you only spend one hour in numerous threads on this mailing list, you would have found the answer to your questions.

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> The web resources are sketchy and pretty inconsequential.
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> If you search the web, you will find most new to Xen is looking for a  distro with Dom0, so that they can concentrate on figuring out the rest. It immediately resonated with  me as the logical step.
> I just echoed that sentiment.
> The response by Nick Kamis and Sehr Geehrter Herr Dettenbach, is an unnecessarily uncouth slap through the face no one  deserves.

And where is the apology for _your_ rude reaction? You has not only responded but offended all (at least germans) on the list.

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> I strongly suggest those who are tired dealing with new users create a new usergroup for advanced users and you all go there, and let (new to Xen) users have a Xen group they can help each other at their level.

> The name Xen-users group is deceiving based on the level of support you are willing to give newcombers.
> We all have to start somewhere and most of you forgot that.
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> Except for the two constructive responses I received from Aaron and Andrew, the group serves no purpose for someone new to Xen.

A user group is not only for asking questions, you are also wellcome to read the answers to that qestions.

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> You cannot have it both ways attacking new users who ADMIT in the first line of their posts to be new to Xen and then expect that new users will take up Xen.
> I honestly don't understand what you want to achieve other than to alienate new users from Xen.
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> If the two people who succeeded to  troll with me did not pull their triggers, there would have been three posts total period.. wouldn't that be nice?
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> See where we are now... count the mails.

So I hope, this was your last post.

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> Simon Hobson wrote:
>> admin@xxxxxxx wrote:
>>> What did I do to deserve this ?
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>> I too think Niels's response was somewhat OTT.
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>> But, put yourself in the other persons shoes. Your posting comes across as "I don't want to figure anything out for myself, could you spoonfeed me please". Most people are happy to help, but draw the line at someone who gives the appearance of not wanting to put any work in themselves.
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>> I don't know if you've already looked at what documentation is easily available and easy to find - the wording/tone of your message suggests you might not have done so. That's a good way to get people's backs up, since the documentation is there specifically to avoid needing to deal with individual requests from every new user - which I think you can imagine can be very sapping of limited resources.
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>> The fact is that Xen is not a trivial tool to setup and use. You are going to have to put some effort into learning it if you are going to get the best results.
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