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Re: [Xen-users] Proposal for a xen-users(/devel?) netiquette

To: Henning Sprang <henning_sprang@xxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] Proposal for a xen-users(/devel?) netiquette
From: Tim Post <tim.post@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 16:31:40 +0800
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Probably not a bad idea. I don't remember seeing any guidelines when I
signed up. 

Should probably add a "Yay" or "Nay" on advertising other Xen groups
here as the junk article-wikis are beginning to pick up on Xen's
popularity to push Google ads. Not an issue here, yet .. but I suspect
soon will be. 

And yes, those 2 page disclaimer signatures are rather annoying.

My 2 cents :)


On Tue, 2006-09-19 at 20:21 +0200, Henning Sprang wrote:
> Hi,
> With an increasing amount of mails coming through this list, there's
> also an increasing amount of emails which not conform to netiquette as
> it is known to long-time usenet and mailing list users
> but obviously not to people new to mailing lists, free software and Linux.
> These netiquette rules are very helpful to get mailing lists with a
> lot of posts ordered, clean, and easy to read and understand, which in
> turn makes responding and helping much easier.
> Therefore, I propose getting some important rules together for posting
> to this list, and publish them at some central point (e.g. at the
> subscription page at xensource), so  new people can read it _before_
> subscribing. (BTW, I am not sure if the subscription messages contain
> such info already, but obviously not everybody reads them).
> My proposals ( in no particular order), which should be discussed
> before setting them up:
> 1) don't add legal privacy disclaimers to your mails - they tend to
> have more than 10 lines, and they aren't useful at all to solve
> technical problems with xen (and, by the way, also don't help to keep
> any business secret!)
> 2) Don't start a new thread as response to an existing thread (say, by
> clicking on reply in your mailer on an existing thread).
> 3) please specify, short but exactly, what you are trying to
> accomplish. What you did to accomplish this, and what the symptoms of
> your problems are.
> If you searched documentation or list archives about your problem,
> it's sometimes good to say so, because people might tell you to read
> the docs first.
> 4) before posting questions, read the xen manual, the README files,
> the wiki, and the mailing list archives. Use google or your favorite
> search engine. Only after finding no answer there, post to the list.
> 5) avoid cross-posting to multiple lists
> 6) don't post your full logfiles without being asked to do so. You can
> post the some lines of a logfile, if you think there's an interesing
> information for analyzing the problem (warnings/errors/uncommon
> messages) - but no unfiltered full log/output
> 7)  Use an appropriate list - xen-users for question about usage of
> stable versions, xen-devel for reporting and discussing problems with
> unstable/testing versions.
> 8) don't write test mails to the list! Not for yourself, and not as an
> administrator to solve your user's problems posting to the list.
> 9) don't repost your questions unchanged. If nobody replies to your
> request, but you are sure somebody must know a solution or at least
> have a hint, it's very likely that nobody understands your problem.
> Try to describe it better.
> 10) unsubscribing from the list is NOT done by mailing to the list's
> address. remember that if you want to get off the list. just use the
> links at the end of the list mails...
> further hints on the web:
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html
> What do you think?
> Henning
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