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Re: [Xen-devel] xend doesn't start with xen-staging tip (on ubuntu 9.10

To: Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] xend doesn't start with xen-staging tip (on ubuntu 9.10 or 10.04)
From: Sander Eikelenboom <linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 23:08:20 +0200
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Since it will be done .. and there will be documentation for the end user ..

Perhaps it's a smart thing to make the documentation now and let developers 
test it :-p
That should give top notch documentation together with at least one happy 
developer :-)

--

Sander



Monday, June 21, 2010, 7:30:37 PM, you wrote:

>> From: Ian Jackson [mailto:Ian.Jackson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> 
>> Dan Magenheimer writes ("RE: [Xen-devel] xend doesn't start with xen-
>> staging tip (on ubuntu 9.10 or 10.04)"):
>> > "Your networking to your Xen guests which always worked has
>> > suddenly stopped working when you've upgraded to the latest
>> > Xen bits.  You asked on xen-devel what to do to fix it
>> > and got the reply: 'You need to set up your own network
>> > to go through a bridge now'.  Do you know now exactly what
>> > trivial things you need to do?  If not, do you know exactly
>> > where to look for documentation to tell you what you need to do?"
>> 
>> People who are running production systems on xen-unstable bits need
>> more help than we can sensibly give them.

> True enough.  But to clarify, we're not talking about those people;
> we're talking about *developers* updating xen-unstable bits on an
> otherwise completely stable base distro.  And we're talking about
> xen-users installing xen-unstable on their systems to see if
> it fixes a bug or adds an important feature they are waiting for.
> "Oops, networking is broke, I guess I'd better roll back"...
> which means fewer people testing and giving feedback on xen-unstable.

>> As I say we'll make a song and dance about this in the 4.1 release
>> notes, announcements, etc.  Another related substantial change will be
>> the switch away from xend in the default configuration, and it makes
>> sense to make both of these changes at the same time.

> Historically in Xen, "song and dance" has been more like
> "hum a bar offkey and quickly twirl around" :-)  I hope
> this change at this release is a bit more.





-- 
Best regards,
 Sander                            mailto:linux@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


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