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xen-devel
Re: [Xen-devel] BUG at xen4.1/kernel 2.6.32.35 at a CentOS 5.5 when star
On 03/30/2011 11:44 PM, Teck Choon Giam wrote:
On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Gerd Jakobovitsch <gerd@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hello all,
I used to run xen4.0 kernel 2.6.32.24 over CentOS 5.5, with a relative success, but the bug at mmu.c appeared once at a while. Therefore, I'm looking for a more stable option.
I compiled and ran the newly released xen 4.1, with kernel PVOPS 2.6.32.35 over CentOS 5.5. When trying to start a VM, the following bugs appeared at dmesg. After that, xl and xm commands do not longer respond:
[ 145.749573] alloc irq_desc for 2209 on node -1
[ 145.749581] alloc kstat_irqs on node -1
[ 145.883515] block tda: sector-size: 512 capacity: 262144
[ 145.889952] general protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP
[ 145.890109] last sysfs file: /sys/block/tda/removable
[ 145.890164] CPU 7
[ 145.890252] Modules linked in: bridge stp nfs fscache nfs_acl auth_rpcgss arptable_filter arp_tables xt_esp ipt_ah xt_physdev xt_multiport lockd sunrpc bonding dm_multipath bnx2 megaraid_sas
[ 145.891125] Pid: 5179, comm: tapdisk2 Not tainted 2.6.32.35 #1 PowerEdge M610
[ 145.891184] RIP: e030:[<ffffffff81281e79>] [<ffffffff81281e79>] blktap_device_end_request+0x4e/0x63
[ 145.891296] RSP: e02b:ffff880064061cd8 EFLAGS: 00010046
[ 145.891351] RAX: 6b6b6b6b6b6b6b6b RBX: ffff88007d264690 RCX: 0000000000000028
[ 145.891410] RDX: 0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: 0000000000000000
[ 145.891469] RBP: ffff880064061cf8 R08: 0000000064061c98 R09: ffff88007da42948
[ 145.891528] R10: ffffea0000000008 R11: 0000000001f60080 R12: ffff88007da427f8
[ 145.891587] R13: ffff88007c75f398 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: ffff88007c75f3a8
[ 145.891651] FS: 00007ff33d9a4730(0000) GS:ffff8800189e5000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 145.891714] CS: e033 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b
[ 145.891771] CR2: 0000000002594cc8 CR3: 000000007be61000 CR4: 0000000000002660
[ 145.891830] DR0: 0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000
[ 145.891890] DR3: 0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400
[ 145.892171] Process tapdisk2 (pid: 5179, threadinfo ffff880064060000, task ffff88007c272d60)
[ 145.892669] Stack:
[ 145.892934] ffff88007c272d60 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000
[ 145.893334] <0> ffff880064061e88 ffffffff812815ae ffff880064061e58 ffffffff811d234f
[ 145.894035] <0> ffff88007e9bbfc0 ffff88007c75f398 00000001ffffffff 0000000000000000
[ 145.895015] Call Trace:
[ 145.895286] [<ffffffff812815ae>] blktap_ring_ioctl+0x183/0x2d8
[ 145.895566] [<ffffffff811d234f>] ? inode_has_perm+0x77/0x89
[ 145.895844] [<ffffffff811d234f>] ? inode_has_perm+0x77/0x89
[ 145.896124] [<ffffffff81219e24>] ? _raw_spin_lock+0x77/0x12f
[ 145.896403] [<ffffffff81219d28>] ? _raw_spin_unlock+0xab/0xb2
[ 145.896682] [<ffffffff81529311>] ? _spin_unlock+0x9/0xb
[ 145.896958] [<ffffffff81219e24>] ? _raw_spin_lock+0x77/0x12f
[ 145.897234] [<ffffffff811d2415>] ? file_has_perm+0xb4/0xc6
[ 145.897513] [<ffffffff810fe868>] vfs_ioctl+0x5e/0x77
[ 145.897786] [<ffffffff810fed7d>] do_vfs_ioctl+0x484/0x4d5
[ 145.898060] [<ffffffff810fee25>] sys_ioctl+0x57/0x7a
[ 145.898338] [<ffffffff81013d02>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
[ 145.898614] Code: e8 5f f4 ff ff 49 8b 44 24 40 48 8b b8 80 03 00 00 e8 64 75 2a 00 41 8b 54 24 60 44 89 f6 4c 89 e7 e8 b5 89 f7 ff 49 8b 44 24 40 <48> 8b b8 80 03 00 00 e8 23 74 2a 00 5b 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e c9 c3
[ 145.902008] RIP [<ffffffff81281e79>] blktap_device_end_request+0x4e/0x63
[ 145.902321] RSP <ffff880064061cd8>
[ 145.902585] ---[ end trace 2800cfa5aa85ca0a ]---
[ 262.100689] BUG: spinlock lockup on CPU#4, vol_id/5181, ffff88007c75f520
[ 262.100965] Pid: 5181, comm: vol_id Tainted: G D 2.6.32.35 #1
[ 262.101232] Call Trace:
[ 262.101497] [<ffffffff81219eae>] _raw_spin_lock+0x101/0x12f
[ 262.101762] [<ffffffff815293e6>] _spin_lock_irq+0x1e/0x20
[ 262.102028] [<ffffffff811fcc14>] __make_request+0x5e/0x402
[ 262.102294] [<ffffffff8101019f>] ? xen_restore_fl_direct_end+0x0/0x1
[ 262.102563] [<ffffffff811fa171>] generic_make_request+0x258/0x2f4
[ 262.102832] [<ffffffff811156d8>] ? bio_init+0x18/0x32
[ 262.103099] [<ffffffff811fbec8>] submit_bio+0xd0/0xd9
[ 262.103366] [<ffffffff81111574>] submit_bh+0xf7/0x11a
[ 262.103631] [<ffffffff8111448f>] block_read_full_page+0x246/0x264
[ 262.103898] [<ffffffff81117c13>] ? blkdev_get_block+0x0/0x4d
[ 262.104165] [<ffffffff815292c6>] ? _spin_unlock_irq+0x1e/0x20
[ 262.104433] [<ffffffff810ba73d>] ? add_to_page_cache_locked+0xa0/0xca
[ 262.104702] [<ffffffff81116ef9>] blkdev_readpage+0x13/0x15
[ 262.104972] [<ffffffff810c1d36>] __do_page_cache_readahead+0x144/0x177
[ 262.105240] [<ffffffff810c1f8f>] ondemand_readahead+0x126/0x18e
[ 262.105507] [<ffffffff810c20d7>] page_cache_sync_readahead+0x38/0x3a
[ 262.105778] [<ffffffff810bb833>] generic_file_aio_read+0x24c/0x5c1
[ 262.106045] [<ffffffff810f1808>] do_sync_read+0xe2/0x126
[ 262.106315] [<ffffffff81068a02>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x38
[ 262.106584] [<ffffffff811d701c>] ? selinux_file_permission+0x5c/0x10e
[ 262.106854] [<ffffffff811ce9c4>] ? security_file_permission+0x11/0x13
[ 262.107120] [<ffffffff810f1f7b>] vfs_read+0xab/0x167
[ 262.107385] [<ffffffff810f2374>] sys_read+0x47/0x70
[ 262.107652] [<ffffffff81013d02>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
[ 262.107918] sending NMI to all CPUs:
[ 262.108189] BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at ffffffffff5fb310
[ 262.108526] IP: [<ffffffff8102c7d1>] flat_send_IPI_mask+0x6a/0xc0
[ 262.108832] PGD 1003067 PUD 1004067 PMD 18b7067 PTE 0
[ 262.109235] Oops: 0002 [#2] SMP
[ 262.109565] last sysfs file: /sys/class/blktap2/blktap1/dev
[ 262.109830] CPU 4
[ 262.110121] Modules linked in: bridge stp nfs fscache nfs_acl auth_rpcgss arptable_filter arp_tables xt_esp ipt_ah xt_physdev xt_multiport lockd sunrpc bonding dm_multipath bnx2 megaraid_sas
[ 262.111520] Pid: 5181, comm: vol_id Tainted: G D 2.6.32.35 #1 PowerEdge M610
[ 262.112008] RIP: e030:[<ffffffff8102c7d1>] [<ffffffff8102c7d1>] flat_send_IPI_mask+0x6a/0xc0
[ 262.112535] RSP: e02b:ffff88006778f968 EFLAGS: 00010086
[ 262.112800] RAX: 00000000ff000000 RBX: ffffffff81790060 RCX: 00000000000160a0
[ 262.113068] RDX: ffff88001898e000 RSI: 0000000000000002 RDI: ffffffff81816020
[ 262.113337] RBP: ffff88006778f988 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: 0000000000000004
[ 262.113605] R10: 0000000000000002 R11: 0000000000000004 R12: 0000000000000002
[ 262.113877] R13: 0000000000000800 R14: 00000000000000ff R15: 0000000000000000
[ 262.114149] FS: 00007fa78bcc5710(0063) GS:ffff88001898e000(0000) knlGS:0000000000000000
[ 262.114636] CS: e033 DS: 0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b
[ 262.114902] CR2: ffffffffff5fb310 CR3: 00000000641b4000 CR4: 0000000000002660
[ 262.115171] DR0: 0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000
[ 262.115438] DR3: 0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400
[ 262.115707] Process vol_id (pid: 5181, threadinfo ffff88006778e000, task ffff88007db86250)
[ 262.116194] Stack:
[ 262.116451] 0000000000000000 0000000076e9ecd0 0000000000000000 0000000076e9ecd0
[ 262.116825] <0> ffff88006778f998 ffffffff8102c841 ffff88006778f9b8 ffffffff81029f0d
[ 262.117485] <0> ffff88007c75f520 ffff88007c75f520 ffff88006778f9f8 ffffffff81219eb3
[ 262.118396] Call Trace:
[ 262.118657] [<ffffffff8102c841>] flat_send_IPI_all+0x1a/0x56
[ 262.118925] [<ffffffff81029f0d>] arch_trigger_all_cpu_backtrace+0x45/0x66
[ 262.119195] [<ffffffff81219eb3>] _raw_spin_lock+0x106/0x12f
[ 262.119463] [<ffffffff815293e6>] _spin_lock_irq+0x1e/0x20
[ 262.119730] [<ffffffff811fcc14>] __make_request+0x5e/0x402
[ 262.119996] [<ffffffff8101019f>] ? xen_restore_fl_direct_end+0x0/0x1
[ 262.120264] [<ffffffff811fa171>] generic_make_request+0x258/0x2f4
[ 262.120532] [<ffffffff811156d8>] ? bio_init+0x18/0x32
[ 262.120799] [<ffffffff811fbec8>] submit_bio+0xd0/0xd9
[ 262.121066] [<ffffffff81111574>] submit_bh+0xf7/0x11a
[ 262.121333] [<ffffffff8111448f>] block_read_full_page+0x246/0x264
[ 262.121602] [<ffffffff81117c13>] ? blkdev_get_block+0x0/0x4d
[ 262.121870] [<ffffffff815292c6>] ? _spin_unlock_irq+0x1e/0x20
[ 262.122137] [<ffffffff810ba73d>] ? add_to_page_cache_locked+0xa0/0xca
[ 262.127766] [<ffffffff81116ef9>] blkdev_readpage+0x13/0x15
[ 262.128025] [<ffffffff810c1d36>] __do_page_cache_readahead+0x144/0x177
[ 262.128288] [<ffffffff810c1f8f>] ondemand_readahead+0x126/0x18e
[ 262.128548] [<ffffffff810c20d7>] page_cache_sync_readahead+0x38/0x3a
[ 262.128810] [<ffffffff810bb833>] generic_file_aio_read+0x24c/0x5c1
[ 262.129070] [<ffffffff810f1808>] do_sync_read+0xe2/0x126
[ 262.129329] [<ffffffff81068a02>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x38
[ 262.129590] [<ffffffff811d701c>] ? selinux_file_permission+0x5c/0x10e
[ 262.129851] [<ffffffff811ce9c4>] ? security_file_permission+0x11/0x13
[ 262.130110] [<ffffffff810f1f7b>] vfs_read+0xab/0x167
[ 262.130368] [<ffffffff810f2374>] sys_read+0x47/0x70
[ 262.130624] [<ffffffff81013d02>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
[ 262.130883] Code: 8b 05 b4 95 7e 00 83 fe 02 44 8b 68 34 75 0a ff 90 58 01 00 00 eb 0e f3 90 8b 04 25 00 b3 5f ff f6 c4 10 75 f2 44 89 f0 c1 e0 18 <89> 04 25 10 b3 5f ff 41 83 fc 02 74 08 44 89 e0 44 09 e8 eb 06
[ 262.133866] RIP [<ffffffff8102c7d1>] flat_send_IPI_mask+0x6a/0xc0
[ 262.134164] RSP <ffff88006778f968>
[ 262.134419] CR2: ffffffffff5fb310
[ 262.134673] ---[ end trace 2800cfa5aa85ca0b ]---
Can you try to recompile your PVOPS kernel with CONFIG_DEBUG_PAGEALLOC=y?
You can read more about this BUG at
http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2011-03/msg01756.html
I initially hit this BUG sometime Dec 2010... ...
http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-devel/2010-12/msg01501.html
Thanks.
Kindest regards,
Giam Teck Choon
Sorry for the delayed answer. The problem I'm facing now is not
related to the mmu bug - that one I still am seeing at systems with
xen 4.0.2 / kernel 2.6.32.24. Newer kernels have new bugs, much more
troublesome, since I can not run a single VM instance.
Adding DEBUG_PAGEALLOC, the main difference is that the system is
rebooting shortly after trying to start up a VM:
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: I/O queue driver: lio
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: received 'attach'
message (uuid = 0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: sending 'attach
response' message (uuid = 0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: received 'open'
message (uuid = 0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: block-aio
open('/storage5/linux-centos-5-64b-base-7253/hda')
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]:
open(/storage5/linux-centos-5-64b-base-7253/hda) with O_DIRECT
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: Image size: pre
sector_shift [134217728] post sector_shift [262144]
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: opened image
/storage5/linux-centos-5-64b-base-rip/hda (1 users, state:
0x00000001, type: 0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: VBD CHAIN:
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]:
/storage5/linux-centos-5-64b-base/hda: 0
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15563]: sending 'open
response' message (uuid = 0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.644887] block tda:
sector-size: 512 capacity: 262144
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657328] general
protection fault: 0000 [#1] SMP DEBUG_PAGEALLOC
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657379] last sysfs
file: /sys/block/tda/removable
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657400] CPU 0
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657421] Modules linked
in: nfs fscache nfs_acl auth_rpcgss bridge stp ocfs2 ocfs2_dlmfs
ocfs2_stack_o2cb ocfs2_dlm ocfs2_nodemanager ocfs2_stackglue
configfs arptable_filter arp_tables xt_esp ipt_ah xt_physdev
xt_multiport dm_round_robin lockd sunrpc crc32c bonding iscsi_tcp
libiscsi_tcp bnx2i libiscsi scsi_transport_iscsi cnic uio
dm_multipath bnx2 megaraid_sas
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657736] Pid: 15566,
comm: tapdisk2 Not tainted 2.6.32.36 #4 PowerEdge M610
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657763] RIP:
e030:[<ffffffff8129fb89>] [<ffffffff8129fb89>]
blktap_device_end_request+0x4e/0x63
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657808] RSP:
e02b:ffff88006da5dcd8 EFLAGS: 00010046
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657833] RAX:
6b6b6b6b6b6b6b6b RBX: ffff88006566c000 RCX: 0000000000000000
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657860] RDX:
0000000000000000 RSI: 0000000000000000 RDI: ffff88006d8c7980
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.657887] RBP:
ffff88006da5dcf8 R08: ffffffff817e66a0 R09: ffff88007d775790
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.658136] R10:
ffffffff810ccfe4 R11: ffff8800280d8f60 R12: ffff88006720e7f8
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.658384] R13:
ffff88006d8c77e0 R14: 0000000000000000 R15: ffff88006d8c77f0
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.658635] FS:
00007f86d75a3730(0000) GS:ffff8800280c7000(0000)
knlGS:0000000000000000
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.659107] CS: e033 DS:
0000 ES: 0000 CR0: 000000008005003b
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.659351] CR2:
0000000045614ed8 CR3: 000000006d911000 CR4: 0000000000002660
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.659600] DR0:
0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.659847] DR3:
0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.660100] Process
tapdisk2 (pid: 15566, threadinfo ffff88006da5c000, task
ffff88007d7750f0)
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.660574] Stack:
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.660807]
ffff88007d7750f0 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 0000000000000000
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.661074] <0>
ffff88006da5de88 ffffffff8129f2c0 ffffffff8100fedd 000000016da5ddc8
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.661574] <0>
00000000ffffffff ffff88006d8c77e0 00000001816fab27 0000000000000000
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.662287] Call Trace:
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.662522]
[<ffffffff8129f2c0>] blktap_ring_ioctl+0x183/0x2d8
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.662767]
[<ffffffff8100fedd>] ? xen_force_evtchn_callback+0xd/0xf
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.663012]
[<ffffffff811ebe9b>] ? inode_has_perm+0xa1/0xb3
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.663260]
[<ffffffff8101064f>] ? xen_restore_fl_direct_end+0x0/0x1
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.663509]
[<ffffffff81081d84>] ? lock_release+0x1b8/0x1c3
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.663756]
[<ffffffff81233d2c>] ? _raw_spin_unlock+0xab/0xb2
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.663999]
[<ffffffff8155618d>] ? _spin_unlock+0x26/0x2a
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.664248]
[<ffffffff81134aa1>] ? aio_read_evt+0x87/0x13a
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.664493]
[<ffffffff81134b36>] ? aio_read_evt+0x11c/0x13a
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.664740]
[<ffffffff81233ecc>] ? _raw_spin_lock+0x77/0x12f
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.664986]
[<ffffffff811ec054>] ? file_has_perm+0xb4/0xc6
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.665237]
[<ffffffff81112444>] vfs_ioctl+0x5e/0x77
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.665480]
[<ffffffff81112959>] do_vfs_ioctl+0x484/0x4d5
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.665726]
[<ffffffff81112a01>] sys_ioctl+0x57/0x7a
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.665970]
[<ffffffff81013d42>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.666214] Code: e8 61 f4
ff ff 49 8b 44 24 40 48 8b b8 70 04 00 00 e8 79 67 2b 00 41 8b 54 24
60 44 89 f6 4c 89 e7 e8 76 3b f7 ff 49 8b 44 24 40 <48> 8b b8
70 04 00 00 e8 1d 65 2b 00 5b 41 5c 41 5d 41 5e c9 c3
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.667320] RIP
[<ffffffff8129fb89>] blktap_device_end_request+0x4e/0x63
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.667577] RSP
<ffff88006da5dcd8>
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 kernel: [ 8879.668069] ---[ end trace
da218b929afc63f7 ]---
Apr 8 12:00:43 r2b16ch2x28p2 tapdisk2[15584]: I/O queue driver: lio
Apr 8 12:00:48 r2b16ch2x28p2 tap-ctl: tap-err:tap_ctl_read_message:
failure reading message
Apr 8 12:00:48 r2b16ch2x28p2 tap-ctl:
tap-err:tap_ctl_send_and_receive: failed to receive 'unknown'
message
--
Gerd Jakobovitsch
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