Hi Dustin,
I really hate when I have to talk against somebody. When someone else
talks against me I take it like "Hey, maybe he's right. Let's do a small
research!". So I did.
You say that AMD is overpriced? I guess you haven't heard about Intel?
Try building a similar system using an Intel CPU and one using AMD (both
with VT enabled!!!). You will get at least 30% higher price on the Intel
system. Why? Just because Intel is Intel! Actually, I guess it's because
of the letters in their names:
AMD = 3 letters
Intel = 5 letter
3/5=0.6
=> AMD should be 40% cheaper (which is somehow true)
I rest my case!
And no, I'm not an AMD freak (that geek that is using only AMD CPUs), I
am just a happy web surfer that searches the web for things he doesn't
know. And I care about the best price over performance. Is this bad?
Let's not forget that AMD was the first to introduce _real_ (and I meant
_REAL_) 64bit computing, Intel was just emulating it (ever wondered why
the 64bit architecture is also called AMD64?). AMD was the first to add
graphic acceleration on CPU. Now Intel is doing it on ther Core Ix
chips. All AMD CPUs for the last 4-5 years at least have virtualization
caps, Intel is selling those for "special" prices. And still, AMD chips
are cheaper than Intel's.
Again, I apologize the list for the off topic, but I really hope it was
educative for the newbies. Or for those lazy enough doing a quick search
for basic stuff they don't know.
Cheers!
On 01.07.2010 15:36, Dustin Henning wrote:
Ady,
You are correct, I failed to realize you were using AMD CPUs, and I
chose not to use Google. Regarding AM3, assuming it is an AMD property (and it
actually occurred to me, en passant, that it was), I don't know anything about
recent AMD CPUs because I stopped paying attention to them when they went to
the Athlon XP numbering system, as I don't like marketing BS, and that's
exactly what that numbering system was (there was only one really really crappy
processor that the 1700+ might even have compared to). I used AMD when they
weren't overpriced and weren't playing the same games Cyrix and Evergreen
Technologies tried to play, but that was back in the K6-2 days. On that note,
the reason the 18 computers I referred to are Intel is because the person for
whom I built the computers had a bad experience with Intel and would not listen
to my advice to use AMD (these would have been Athlons, this was before
Athlon-XP). The computers I have built since then are all Intel on account of
the aforementioned reasons that lead me to abandon AMD. I know that AMD and
even ATI are sometimes better choices for open-source, but ATI has been in the
bloatware business longer than nVidia, so I had abandoned them as well, and as
I already disliked both companies, the merge of AMD and ATI only gave me more
reason to avoid them both like the plague. Anyway, I have also built several
computers over the past 5 years with MSI motherboards, and not one of those has
died (while an ASUS one has, this was likely due to the power supply and not
the fault of ASUS), however, I don't know that their support would be any
better, and they have shortened their warranty length in the last few years.
It is unfortunate that AMD doesn't make motherboards, as I would recommend
going that route if they did (the same as I mistakenly recommended Intel).
Another possibility, again, that may have already been researched, would be a
SuperMicro motherboard, I always cringe at the one year warranty, but I have
two servers upstairs that have been running since 2002 with SuperMicro
motherboards, and they may be even more likely to provide decent support, but I
don't have the experience with them to confirm or deny that. Regardless, I
apologize for going off-topic and providing misguided advice.
Dustin
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Hi Dustin,
That's funny. You said you have built 18 computers sometimes in the
past. And now you are saying you don't know what AM3 refers to. My
assumption is that you are either banned for using Google, or somebody
built the computers for you. If you have dared to read at least my post
(the last post actually, the one you have answered), you would have
noticed that it's an AMD CPU. And you should have well known that Intel
_DOES NOT BUILD MOBOS FOR AMD CPUS_!!! You could find mobos with SMD
chipsets for Intel CPUs, but not viceversa! Loks like a (bad) company
policy for Intel, if you were to ask me.
So, guys, being such an off topic post, _PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE USE
GOOGLE FOR ANY WORD YOUR POOR LITTLE BRAIN FAILS TO RECOGNIZE_! This
will save you from getting slapped every time you open your mouth.
Take care, guys!
On 30.06.2010 16:06, Dustin Henning wrote:
DEMAINE,
I have the same problems you have with product in general. It is quite
unfortunate, and in Windows only environments, I use Gigabyte for those
reasons. That said, how is the longevity of Intel boards? I know I built 18
P4s with Intel boards well over 5 years ago and the only boards that have died
were definitely killed by bad power supplies. I don't know whether or not
Intel makes a board that meets your needs (I don't know what AM3 refers to),
but if they do, it might be worth considering. I know you said only one match,
but I don't know if a specific supplier had only one match or if you used the
Intel MBSG (which doesn't show all boards by any stretch of the imagination,
but would certainly show Intel ones).
Dustin
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[mailto:xen-users-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of DEMAINE
Benoit-Pierre
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 08:38
To: Ady Deac
Cc: xen-users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Xen-users] use PCI VGA card on domU, and questions about USB
On 30/06/10 07:02, Ady Deac wrote:
Hi,
All the AMD CPUs (I guess except for the lower end Semprons, but I
guess those also apply) from the last (at least 4-5 years) have
virtualization caps. It is shown as "svm" in the CPU flags:
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=125099
Offcourse, the BIOS must support it too. And I guess you need to
either buy another mobo (see Gigabyte or Asus), or hammer your mobo
producer to release a BIOS to support it. What is your mobo anyways?
That's what I forgot to tell about (had so many bugs to fix and report
yesterday, my mind went wrong).
MA785GT-UD3H
I can not change it, because it's the only one I can use for my needs
(ATX not micro, AM3, integrated VGA, two large PCI-E ports = only one
match).
My BIOS says nothing. I tried to start xen with all required options,
and, after boot, it says options I Asked are disabled (i was following
the URL I was given earlier): PCI pass throught is not supported.
I am tired fighting with manifacturers. I'll just shutup.
I'm pretty sure you DO NOT want to have a Gigabyte or Asus board if
you are trying to do PCI Passthrough.
I am pretty sure you do not want any other manif if you want your MB to
last 5 to 8 years, and not look at your capacitors burn out in less than
a year (or many alternative low level issue).
I have personal experience with ASUS and trying to get them to fix a
problem with their BIOS is nearly impossible even when you have
Windows and they will talk to you
I know. That's why I will shut up.
It does not work. Full stop.
I think only Apple is taking care of features *AND* long term stability.
Any way, the problem is not Gygabyte, Asus, AMD, Intel, Microsoft or
Apple; the root problems are:
- x86
- modern worldwide consumer mentality (buy, use, throught away).
99% people don't care when what they buy do not do what they paid for.
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