[Xen-users] Re: Xen is a feature

[Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx>]

Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009, Bill Davidsen wrote:
>   
> > Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> >     
> > > Aside of the paravirt, which seems to expand through arch/x86 like a
> > > hydra, the new patches sprinkle "if (xen_...)" all over the
> > > place. These extra xen dependencies are no improvement, they are a
> > > royal pain in the ... They are sticky once they got merged simply
> > > because the hypervisor relies on them and we need to provide
> > > compatibility for a long time.
> > >
> > >       
> > Wait, let's not classify something as "no improvement" when you mean "I don't
> > need it."
> >     
> It's not about "I don't need it.". It's about having Xen dependencies
> in the code all over the place which make mainatainence harder. I have
> to balance the users benefit (xen dom0 support) vs. the impact on
> maintainability and the restrictions which are going to be set almost
> in stone by merging it.
>
>   
> > Let's stick to technical issues, and not deny that there are a number of users
> > who really will have expanded capability. The technical points are valid, but
> > as a former and probable future xen (CentOS) user, so are the benefits.
> >     
> Refusing random "if (xen...)" dependencies is a purely technical
> decision. I have said more than once that I'm not against merging dom0
> in general, I'm just frightened by the technical impact of a defacto
> ABI which we swallow with it.
>
>   
I was referring to your "no benefit" comment, I don't dispute the 
technical issues. I think the idea of moving the hypervisor into the 
kernel and letting xen folks do the external parts as they please.
> We have enough problems with real silicon and BIOS/ACPI already, why
> should we add artifical and _avoidable_ virtual silicon horror ?
>   
I guess my point wasn't clear, sorry, it's just that I felt as though 
the features lacking KVM (old/small/BIOS-limited CPUs) might be hidden 
in the smoke due to the technical issues.
--
Bill Davidsen <davidsen@xxxxxxx>
 Even purely technical things can appear to be magic, if the documentation is
obscure enough. For example, PulseAudio is configured by dancing naked around a
fire at midnight, shaking a rattle with one hand and a LISP manual with the
other, while reciting the GNU manifesto in hexadecimal. The documentation fails
to note that you must circle the fire counter-clockwise in the southern
hemisphere.



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