Re: [Xen-devel] Virtualization project idea

[Michal Novotny <minovotn@xxxxxxxxxx>]

On 08/27/2010 03:30 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 03:17:39PM +0200, Michal Novotny wrote:
>    
> > On 08/27/2010 03:08 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote:
> >      
> > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 06:33:35PM +0530, Dhananjay Goel wrote:
> > >
> > >        
> > > >      Yes, exactly. So, we wanted to know if it is possible to *share USB*
> > > >      across VMs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >          
> > > I don't think USB protocol has been designed for *sharing*.
> > > I'm pretty certain only one computer/device/VM can use USB device at a time.
> > >
> > > -- Pasi
> > >
> > >
> > >        
> > Pasi, I agree. I think the think here is that Dhananjay confused the USB
> > device sharing with the file system sharing. I guess the USB protocol
> > was not designed for sharing nevertheless sharing the filesystem on a
> > USB stick is a completely different think.
> >
> > Dhananajay, you need to plug in the USB stick onto one computer (and
> > it's impossible to plug it into multiple computer at one time, of
> > course) and then setup the sharing. Everybody here is talking about the
> > hardware abstraction and virtualization and what you wrote is a
> > completely different thing - it's software-related and this has nothing
> > to do with the hardware emulation/abstraction what-so-ever.
> >
> > Considering the NFS and all the sharing protocols there was something
> > why it doesn't corrupt the data. I'm no expert on this subject but I
> > think this is because they run in the server-client mode. All the
> > clients are talking to the server and the server itself is one computer
> > that's having the just one operating system working with this particular
> > device - no matter what the underlaying device is - it may be everything
> > - USB stick, IDE/SCSI/SAS drive or just a relay workstation to save all
> > the data into one remote media (e.g. for replication). What I mean is
> > that the basic thing is that it's running on only one operating system
> > (because of it's connected to this one machine *only*) so it takes care
> > of everything and it's aware of the write-cache and data operations
> > being done to this media.
> >
> >      
> Yep.
>
> If you want to share files from the hypervisor-host (from USB stick or from 
> actual disk)
> to the VMs you *can* do it today over-the-network (nfs,cifs,webdav,ftp) using 
> the standard
> client-server tools that have been used for over 20 years.
>
> If you don't want to do it over-the-network, but somehow 'through' the 
> hypervisor,
> then you'd need to build some kind of special filesystem protocol that is able
> to do the client-server communication over the hypervisor specific paths 
> (xenbus etc).
> And have drivers for it in the hypervisor-host, and in the VMs.
>
> -- Pasi
>
>    
Ok Pasi, I know what you mean. I was talking about physical machines 
since Dhananjay compared this to physical machines. I know sharing 
between VMs is possible using specific paths like the xenbus one.
Michal

--
Michal Novotny<minovotn@xxxxxxxxxx>, RHCE
Virtualization Team (xen userspace), Red Hat


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