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RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] re-work MCA telemetry internals; use common code

To: Christoph Egger <Christoph.Egger@xxxxxxx>, "xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <xen-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] re-work MCA telemetry internals; use common code for Intel/AMD MCA
From: "Jiang, Yunhong" <yunhong.jiang@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:47:12 +0800
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Thread-topic: [Xen-devel] [PATCH] re-work MCA telemetry internals; use common code for Intel/AMD MCA
Christoph Egger <mailto:Christoph.Egger@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tuesday 17 March 2009 04:24:35 Jiang, Yunhong wrote:
>> xen-devel-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <> wrote:
>>> The following patch reworks the MCA error telemetry handling inside Xen,
>>>  and shares code between the Intel and AMD implementations as much as
>>> possible. 
>>> 
>>> I've had this patch sitting around for a while, but it wasn't ported to
>>> -unstable yet. I finished porting and testing it, and am submitting it
>>> now, because the Intel folks want to go ahead and submit their new
>>> changes, so we agreed that I should push our changes first.
>>> 
>>> Brief explanation of the telemetry part: previously, the telemetry was
>>> accessed in a global array, with index variables used to access it.
>>> There were some issues with that: race conditions with regard to new
>>> machine checks (or CMCIs) coming in while handling the telemetry, and
>>> interaction with domains having been notified or not, which was a bit
>>> hairy. Our changes (I should say: Gavin Maltby's changes, as
>>> he did the
>>> bulk of this work for our 3.1 based tree, I merely
>>> ported/extended it to
>>> 3.3 and beyond) make telemetry access transactional (think of a
>>> database). Also, the internal database updates are atomic, since the
>>> final commit is done by a pointer swap. There is a brief explanation of
>>> the mechanism in mctelem.h.This patch also removes dom0->domU
>>> notification, which is ok, since Intel's upcoming changes will replace
>>> domU notification with a vMCE mechanism anyway.
>>> 
>>> The common code part is pretty much what it says. It defines a common
>>> MCE handler, with a few hooks for the special needs of the specific CPUs.
>>> 
>>> I've been told that Intel's upcoming patch will need to make
>>> some parts
>>> of the common code specific to the Intel CPU again, but we'll work
>>> together to use as much common code as possible.
>> 
>> Yes, as shown in our previous patch, we do change the current MCA handler,
>> the main changes are followed:
>> 
>> 1) Most importantly, we implement a softIRQ mechanism for post MCE handler.
>>      The reason is, the #MC can happen in any time, that means: Firstly it is
>> spin-lock unsafe, some code like vcpu_schedule_lock_irq(v) in current MCA
>> handler is sure to cause hang if that lock is already hold by a ISR;
>> Secondly, the execution context is uncertain, the "current " value in
>> current MCA handler maybe incorrect  (if set_current is interrupted by
>> #MC), the page ownership maybe wrong (if still in change under heap_lock
>> protection) etc. I remember this So our patch handling #MC is in two step.
>> The MCA handler, which depends on the execution context when MCA happen
>> (like checking if it is in Xen context) and especially it will bring all
>> CPU to softIRQ context. The softIRQ handler (i.e. post handler), which will
>> be spin_lock safe, and all CPU is redenzvous, so it can take more actions.
>> 
>> 2) We implement a mechanism to handle the shared MSR resources similar to
>> what we have done in CMCI handler. As the Intel SDM stated, some MC
>> resource is shared by multiple logical CPU, we implement a ownership check.
>> 
>> 3) As stated in linux  MCA handler, on Intel platforms machine check
>> exceptions are always broadcast to all CPUs, we add such support also.
>> 
>> We have no idea how the issues for item 2 and 3 are handled on other
>> platform, so we have no idea on how to do the common handler for it, hope
>> Christoph can provide more suggestion, or we can just keep them different
>> for different platform. 
>> 
>> But I think for item 1, it is software related, so it can be a enhancement
>> to the common handler, the only thing I'm not sure is, if we need bring all
>> CPU to softIRQ context in all platform, maybe Christoph can give more idea.
> 
> The featureset of AMD Athlon K7 and Intel Pentium III are the common
> denominator on x86. This is what can go into the common code.
> In order to utilize features from newer cpus, allow to
> register function
> pointers and call them from the common code. Look into the amd_k8.c
> and amd_f10.c for example code. I register a function pointer to read
> the new MSRs. It can be easily extended to utilize features of coming CPUs.

I suspect the difference between the mce_intel.c and amd_xxx.c will be far more 
than the difference between amd_k8.c and amd_f10.c. For example, the issue 2/3 
listed above (will it exists on your side?)

And how about the softIRQ mechanism? How do you think about apply it to both 
side?

Thanks
Yunhong Jiang

> 
> 
>> Since we have get most consensus on the high level idea of MCA handler
>> (i.e. Xen take action instead of dom0, use vMCE for guest MCA etc, check
>> discussion with subject " [RFC] RAS(Part II)--MCA enalbing in XEN", the
>> only thing left is the detail method of how to pass the recover action
>> information to dom0), maybe we can turn to this second level discussion of
>> how to enhance the (common) MCA handler.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> -- Yunhong Jiang
>> 
>>> - Frank
> 
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